4.3.08

Let's Build Some Community Here!

So, I was thinking we should compile a list of Burnside-friendly churches.

I don't mean people in that particular church read Burnside, or that they've got Blue Like Jazz on their reading list, or that they're properly emergent...I'm looking for a list of church communities we love.

There's a couple reasons for this: the first being that since I might have to move away from Portland soon, I'd like to get an idea of where I can find a strong community wherever I end up. The second is, it's a good way to link church folks across the country.

Of course, all of us have different values when we look for churches. Here are a few of mine:

1. Community-driven. Small groups are HUGELY important to me, because that's often where the quickest and most established connections happen. At Imago Dei Community, the home churches meet during the week, and are considered by the church elders to be more important than the Sunday services.

2. Outward Focused. Primarily toward the community around the physical location of the church building (or around the houses where the small groups meet). It doesn't mean there needs to be a ton of charity work being done, but the members should be integral parts of their community, not locked up in a fortress.

3. Open to Innovation. New ideas, or old forgotten ideas, are key. I want the Church to be a catalyst in culture, not reactionary. I want to hear church members coming up with novel ways of speaking Truth to the world around them. I want the status quo to be questioned, not to the point of indecision, but with the trust God will use the conflict we face to build us as believers. With that said...

4. Truth-Speaking. The church should be willing to call each other out, and to call sin sin. Think Corinthians here...there are times when being loving means being tough, even if it's cutting someone loose from the community if they're unrepentant.

5. Size Matters. There are some amazing big churches out there, particularly Mars Hill in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Imago Dei Community has grown big time, to the point where three Sunday services held in a high school auditorium pack out easily. But both Mars Hill and Imago Dei put the focus back on smaller groups. Your Sunday service may have a talented worship band or charismatic pastor, but what happens when those things are gone? Would the community live on? Smaller groups, where everyone is involved in each other's life, have an advantage.

These are just off the top of my head. What do you look for? Does your church have these qualities? If you think your church is Burnside-friendly, put it in the comments with a reason why. A church being young and hip is not a good reason.

We'll build a list of links on the right side of this page, along with the city where they're located. I'd like to be as stringent as we can...a crazy long list might defeat the purpose.

11 comments:

Aaron L. said...

I could go on and on about the church I just left (due to a move), but I'll try to hit the most important bullet points.

Centerpoint Church of Tallahassee, FL (PCA)

http://cptchurch.com/

-Stresses the importance of small groups both by demographics (age, sex, marital status) and geography (weekly small groups that meet all over the city for a meal and relaxed conversation)

-Very interested in racial reconciliation. Tallahassee is heavily divided by race (north-white, south-black). Early in its founding, Centerpoint purchased property within the one mile "dividing line" early in its inception where there are more racially mixed communities. CPT does and will use this property for a variety of ministries. As a congregation, CPT has always met for worship services in the same vicinity.

-Approximately 150 members

-I found the church to be highly flexible, possibly due to its youth (probably 75% are between the ages of 20-40). I recently participated in a Sunday evening course designed to improve financial peace (Dave Ramsey's FPU). Currently, CPT is considering how to improve its Sunday evening ministries to address issues like what it means to be a Christian in the workplace. (Being in the state capitol, Centerpoint has a lot of professionals, especially lawyers.)

-Heavily involved in college ministries at Florida State

-This may be only personally relevant, but I feel as though CPT's leadership is vigilant toward legalism, something I find to be an important issue with those considering opening up to Christ. The lack of judgment from peers and the absence of shameful feelings opened up a whole new world to me as far as what it means to follow Christ. I suppose Christians struggle with this as much as non-Christians.

Melody said...

Hmm...something about this post doesn't quite sit right with me. I understand the desire to find like-minded people, I agree with all of the points that you listed.

But are we excluding churches that are in process by looking for finished products? Part of our call to community is pointing one another to Christ. I know so many local, "mainline" churches that could benefit from the perspective of the Burnside crowd.

I think of my church, which I love dearly. It's a church that gets bogged down by it's history and desire to keep up appearances. We don't have any pastors or a worship director, they all resigned last year because they were not living authentically or confessing their pride. We lack clear vision and are fearful of committing to endeavors in which we might fail.

If you see my church on paper you should run screaming and not stop until you reach the nearest community of Christ-followers! But what is on paper is not reality.

My church is broken, but we know that God loves broken things. We are also a church whose love has grown through hardship. We have been confronted with sin and sought forgiveness. We have learned that we can care for one another, teach one another and build up our body without the direction of a pastor. We have let go of the cult of personality that comes with so many churches and truly wrestle with what it looks like to say that Christ is the head of the church. We are embracing the priesthood of all believers.

I share all of this to underline the fact that our call is not one of comfort. Working and serving at my church is hard but immensely rewarding. The Holy Spirit is moving and doing new things at every service, every meeting.

The time that I have spent at Imago, Mars Hill and similar churches has been amazing. God is doing great things. But what if God is calling you into a different kind of community? What if God is calling you to be a catalyst for change in a more traditional setting? I'm thankful that people are finding healing from emotional scars imposed by legalistic churches, but what if you are able to bring that same healing to a church who isn't even aware it's sick?

When I first came to this church, my instinct was "not for me". Three years later, I work and serve alongside people who I consider family. Finding the right church is important, and I love the idea of sharing what's great about your community. But we need to be careful that we don't discount what looks different. God doesn't call us into community to make us happy, but to make us holy.

Jordan said...

Good call, Melody, and thanks for pointing out the discrepancies here.

I realize how open-ended that post was: all of the reasons I listed mean different things for different people.

And you're right, as much as I love Imago Dei or other churches I listed, we could be called to dying churches, or megachurches or...gasp...to no church building at all.

This post may have been ill-advised, but I'm curious to find out what others think.

Aaron L. said...

It is a complex issue. Since I only have a minute, I guess I would say I think God's going to call you where he wants you. Melody is right, it's not so much finding a church that "has it all together," but where you feel called.

I don't want my comment to be thought of as an advertisement as much as some information to help get a newcomer plugged in to the community. It may be a fit, it may not, but I think wherever you belong you will be guided there. People who want to serve Christ normally have plenty of opportunities to mingle with Christians from other local churches and to experience different church "environments." There is power in getting to know authentic followers of Christ (it is why I Burnside interests me so much) whether you end up at a church functioning well or poorly. At the very least, maybe you will find people that may be friends, etc.

I guess what I would say to Melody is that I don't think this is an opportunity to scream "my church is better," "you should go there," and "here's why," but just to characterize the nature of our particular church and let others use that information as they choose. Some of the comments about my church may appeal to one, while yours may appeal to another. At the very least I think we've both demonstrated what those reasons are. I would think anyone reading can discern what those reasons are and it may help them make an informed decision. I know that my church is highly connected to at least three other churches in town that range as widely in peripherals as one could imagine. I think checking it out would be a boon to anyone interested in finding their fit.

Chad Gibbs said...

I have some friends who swear by Dave Ramsey's FPU, but I'm keeping my credit cards no matter what they say.

Sorry for the thread hijack

Prodigal Jon said...

Funny you mention this. The other day, me and Billy Ivey decided that we would create a website that honestly reviewed churches.

Right now we have three sites registered but not live yet:

pewreviews.com
churchuncensored.com
caniwearjeans.com

We're going to create a forum where folks can honestly write about what they like about their churches. But it will also include silly stuff like "Odds that worship leader will have more product in his hair than your wife" or "will snakes ever be handled in service."

Jon
www.prodigaljohn.com

Melody said...

Hey Guys,
I agree that any opportunity to talk about why we love our churches is a great idea. My concern comes more with the term, "Burnside Friendly". All churches should be friendly to the Burnside crowd, and if they're not, maybe you should stay and help them grow.

I also worry about endorsements. I know that this was not meant to be official or anything, but whenever we endorse one thing, we are setting ourselves in opposition with something else. I don't think we should be in opposition to Christ's church, no matter how flawed.

If we are saying, here's what my church is about, or this is why I love my church...GREAT! It's always helpful to hear what is going on with The Church.

If we are saying, 8 out of 10 BWC readers agree or "I'm Jordan Green and I approve this church's message...", then I'm a bit worried.

It is so easy for us to turn away from valuable things because someone else has corrupted them. Words like 'church' and 'Christian' get put on the shelf because so many of us have been hurt by people who misuse them. I think that for a lot of us, it's time to take those words back.

In the same way, it would be a shame for us to put some of our local churches on the shelf just because they have been corrupted.

The key point is really to find out where God is working and get invloved. Don't avoid it just because you might be the only Burnsider there...if you pray it, they will come (or something like that).

uriahministries said...

I'm from Nashville and attend a relatively new church called Uprising Church. The community aspect is phenominal and the church fulfills every aspect of your list to a "T". It's hard to find a post modern, mission/community church in the heart of the Bible belt, but if anyone is interested in visiting let me know!

www.uprisingchurch.org
http://joecase.com (pastor's blog)



~Tim Kurek
http://UriahMinistries.wordpress.com

APN said...

"If we are saying, 8 out of 10 BWC readers agree or "I'm Jordan Green and I approve this church's message...", then I'm a bit worried."

I share your worry, but I'd imagine that Aaron and/or Chad could come up with a rather hilarious 30-second commercial spot that could lampoon this concept.

Anonymous said...

I'm a lurker here on occasion, and have to chime in on this one.

Mosaic in Los Angeles is an incredible church, led by Erwin McManus. My boys, husband and I go there and have loved our time in this community.

It is small group driven and outward focused. Erwin is a strong and gentle teacher...he moves me to tears with his grace filled approach, yet I leave his service convicted to change almost every week.

I think Rick McKinley may be coming to Awaken this year to share, which is a Mosaic event.

Anyway, if you end up in LA, come and visit us. You won't be disappointed. www.mosaic.org

Peace, Jenny

Anonymous said...

I don't know if Rochester, NY is in your future. If it is, I'll warn you there's snow here. A lot of it. If that doesn't chase you away The Father's House is a great church. You can check it out at www.tfhny.org. Constantly changing. Rapidly growing. No wishy-washy teaching. Small Groups. About 400 people volunteer time to make it happen(community). Young(properly emergent). No windows, LOUD music, and smoke machines make an atmosphere that some don't like but it grows on you. Services are broadcast on the internet. Nothing is done half-ass. Come and join us!